Dupes for Mela White Active C Serum by Dr. Med. Christine Schrammek Kosmetik

These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide, Vitamin C and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 8 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, parabens, silicones or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both serums that contain niacinamide and Vitamin C. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both serums that contain niacinamide and Vitamin C. They've got a total of 8 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, parabens, silicones or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide and Vitamin C. They've got a total of 7 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide, Vitamin C and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 7 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain azelaic acid, niacinamide and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain urea and Vitamin C. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide, Vitamin C and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain Vitamin C and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 7 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide. They've got a total of 5 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide and Vitamin C. They've got a total of 5 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide, Vitamin C and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 5 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both serums that contain niacinamide, Vitamin C and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 9 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, parabens, silicones or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain azelaic acid and niacinamide. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide. They've got a total of 4 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both serums that contain azelaic acid and Vitamin C. They've got a total of 7 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both serums that contain niacinamide, Vitamin C and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both serums that contain niacinamide. They've got a total of 7 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide. They've got a total of 5 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, parabens, silicones or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain Vitamin C and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide, Vitamin C and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both serums that contain niacinamide. They've got a total of 5 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide. They've got a total of 5 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both serums that contain niacinamide and Vitamin C. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain azelaic acid and niacinamide. They've got a total of 7 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide and Vitamin C. They've got a total of 7 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide, Vitamin C and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 8 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide. They've got a total of 5 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain azelaic acid and niacinamide. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 7 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also reef safe.

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These products are both serums that contain Vitamin C and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 5 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, parabens, silicones or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, reducing pores, scar healing and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide and Vitamin C. They've got a total of 5 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both serums that contain niacinamide. They've got a total of 5 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide, Vitamin C and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 8 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both serums that contain Vitamin C and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 5 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, parabens, silicones or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, reducing pores, scar healing and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide and Vitamin C. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain azelaic acid and niacinamide. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain Vitamin C. They've got a total of 5 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, reducing pores, scar healing and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide and Vitamin C. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide and Vitamin C. They've got a total of 4 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both serums that contain niacinamide, Vitamin C and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 9 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain Vitamin C. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, reducing pores, scar healing and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both serums that contain niacinamide and Vitamin C. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain niacinamide and Vitamin E. They've got a total of 6 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both cruelty-free serums that contain azelaic acid and niacinamide. They've got a total of 5 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens, silicones or sulfates.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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These products are both serums that contain niacinamide and Vitamin C. They've got a total of 5 ingredients in common.

They both do not contain any harsh alcohols, common allergens, oils, parabens or sulfates. They both contain fragrances.

They're both likely to be good for fighting acne, anti aging, dry skin, brightening skin, sensitive skin, oily skin, reducing pores, scar healing, dark spots and better texture.

Both products are also fungal acne (malassezia) safe and reef safe.

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